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Posted by Charlie on January 25, 2001 at 01:28:42:

In Reply to: becuase a contract is a private agreement between two parties and in a free country... posted by former vice pres on January 24, 2001 at 16:58:00:

Hi there Former Vice President (heck you could be for real - Al Gore has tenants living on his farm.)

Thanks for the kind words. The main reason I want to rent this apartment is because of its convenient location. The rent stabilized rent is not much less than what I could find elsewhere. Which leads me to why I don't want to participate in any "rent stabilization" program. I have major philosophical objections to a governmental agency dictating what my annual rent increases should be, or dictating ANY terms of my lease. I am quite capable of negotiating my own lease terms and will live under no other.

From what I've read rent stabilization comes with lots of anti-tenant strings attached, including extra fees for air conditioners and washing machines, and income checks. Maybe we need to create a free market tenant group. As Vice President pointed out, its thanks to rent stabilization that the rest of NYC housing is so expensive.

In any case, I don't see an apartment as any place I would stay longer than couple of years or so. I plan to buy my own place when I want to settle down later on; anyone with half a brain and a job would do that rather than pay rent forever.

I guess I have no choice but to take this apartment rent stabilized or keep looking.

: but see the country is free everywhere but here Charlie, New York is more of a Social State.

: What the city is going to "force" on you is going to be a lot better then what a landlord is going to force on you in a deregulated apartment.

: The landlord is an honest man, he has told you the absolute truth, if he tried to cut a private lease with you on the side he would be acting illegally and it could come back to bite him on the @$$. You are a very cocky, probably young, fellow (I like that). But, if you think you can find better terms negotiating with a landlord privately, then just taking the cities (always under the CPI) increases, then you need to study harder.

: Are you really so convinced of your skillful prowness to negotiate leases.

: Good Luck Charlie, always glad to meet another Capilist living in Socialist territory

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: Hi there Former Vice President (heck you could be for real - Al Gore has tenants living on his farm.)

: Thanks for the kind words.  The main reason I want to rent this apartment is because of its convenient location.  The rent stabilized rent is not much less than what I could find elsewhere.  Which leads me to why I don't want to participate in any "rent stabilization" program.  I have major philosophical objections to a governmental agency dictating what my annual rent increases should be, or dictating ANY terms of my lease.  I am quite capable of negotiating my own lease terms and will live under no other.

: From what I've read rent stabilization comes with lots of anti-tenant strings attached, including extra fees for air conditioners and washing machines, and income checks.  Maybe we need to create a free market tenant group.  As Vice President pointed out, its thanks to rent stabilization that the rest of NYC housing is so expensive.

: In any case, I don't see an apartment as any place I would stay longer than couple of years or so.  I plan to buy my own place when I want to settle down later on; anyone with half a brain and a job would do that rather than pay rent forever.

: I guess I have no choice but to take this apartment rent stabilized or keep looking.


: : but see the country is free everywhere but here Charlie, New York is more of a Social State.

: : What the city is going to "force" on you is going to be a lot better then what a landlord is going to force on you in a deregulated apartment.

: : The landlord is an honest man, he has told you the absolute truth, if he tried to cut a private lease with you on the side he would be acting illegally and it could come back to bite him on the @$$. You are a very cocky, probably young, fellow (I like that). But, if you think you can find better terms negotiating with a landlord privately, then just taking the cities (always under the CPI) increases, then you need to study harder.

: : Are you really so convinced of your skillful prowness to negotiate leases.

: : Good Luck Charlie, always glad to meet another Capilist living in Socialist territory


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